Beiträge von Art Falmingaid

    On higher difficulty levels the AI will also buy higher titles then citizen. I saw some noblemen in my tests as well.


    I have been playing on the hardest difficulty on several different starts. It seems to be the only way to get the AI to do everything it should. On even just the second hardest difficulty the AI appears broken again. They do not buy titles past Lesser Citizen/Citizen without full civil rights and rarely defend themselves with thugs despite several assaults, robberies, and broken bones, for example.

    20 years before population growth sounds pretty good. Actually, that should be the minimum before a town with average population growth advances. I should think once per generation to be a good standard.


    Hey Jack have you had ANY city grow yet at -200? I'm 20+ years in and while pops are slowly growing not a single town has advanced yet. I'm in Cologne at 290 pop.
    Thanks


    On a side note is there any way to try and get the population to grow faster in YOUR town from within the game mechanics?


    In my experience, population grows quickest when new businesses open and are hiring new employees. It seems to me that as soon as an unemployed person is hired, another one pops into existence in the same town and raises the population. That is one of the problems with town growth, that the towns grow fastest right at the beginning of the game as you and the other dynasties get settled in.



    A note on town growth,


    One problem I've seen with vanilla 4.17b (aside from 50% population increases between turns 1 and 2, and lots of growth afterward) is that when a war was launched hamburg swelled from 375 to 450 for a minute when the army was in town. At this point it became an imperial capital. Then the pop dropped back down when they left the map.


    This is another major problem with town growth. If you do not mind, I am going to add this to the original post (I read it a long time ago, but it just occurred to me that I could edit my post and add it).

    Thanks for the feedback, General Chaos. I really like what you said about town growth and development. For me, I could only see what was currently wrong with it and not how great a feature it could possibly be.


    The thing about town growth is that larger and more developed cities lead to generally better supply and variety in the market, but also vastly increased competition. As such, I still think that having different cities on the same map start at different levels would be a positive change to the game. It would make the choice of your business and hometown more important for your long-term success and it would add more flavor to each map.


    What I mean is that a balance would need to made by the player between a better developed and supplied market and increased competition. At the beginning of a game, the player is only able to run businesses at the first level. A poorly developed market may not have the best supply or variety, but it is likely able to support a few identical low level businesses or businesses that compete for similar resources. At the same time, a well-developed market can easily support a large variety of identical or competing businesses, but the competition may be too intense for the upstart player and his or her business. The player could also get lucky and have a well-developed market but little competition or be terribly unlucky and be only able to find a lot of strong competition with a terrible market. This would all be in addition to the politics and office structure that exists in towns of different levels which could also affect the player's choice for their hometown, as he or she is more or less interested in politics or business or both. There is a lot of potential to improve the game if the growth rate and starting level of towns is considered.

    version 4.17b



    I posted this in the bug tracker, but wanted to post it here so I could get some feedback from other players. Thanks for your opinions.



    By the third round of the game on the map “Duchy of Calenberg,” Hannover grew to be a town. During this round, my only character purchased the title “Citizen without full civil rights.” As described by the associated privilege, I was able to apply for civil service at the lowest level and was accepted as the Guild Master. Within 2 rounds, Hannover grew into a City and my only character was automatically promoted to Seneschal, as per the game mechanics. Within a few more rounds, Hannover grew into a Free City and my character was once again promoted, now becoming the Consul. I had never purchased the title “Citizen” which allows application to all local offices, nor had any of the other elected officials nor anyone else in the town. All elected and unelected persons remained “Citizen without full civil rights.” In addition, only approximately 25 years had progressed in the game.

    The office of Consul offers unique privileges which make advancement to the next tier of office easy, so I acquired the money necessary to purchase the title “Citizen” and apply for the position of Chief Magistrate. This was Spring 1432. After applying for the office, my datebook told me the council meeting was scheduled for Spring 1416 at 17:00. Assuming it to be a minor bug and expecting the meeting to be actually later in the afternoon of the same round, I waited. The message informing me of the coming meeting appeared and I rushed over to the assembly hall. I arrived well before the other council members. The entire council and I waited until well into the evening of the next round in the assembly room with the meeting never taking place and with none of the NPCs leaving.



    A note on town growth,


    One problem I've seen with vanilla 4.17b (aside from 50% population increases between turns 1 and 2, and lots of growth afterward) is that when a war was launched hamburg swelled from 375 to 450 for a minute when the army was in town. At this point it became an imperial capital. Then the pop dropped back down when they left the map.




    Out of these experiences, several bugs and flaws can be recognized and several suggestions for needed changes can be made:

    1. NPCs do not purchase titles.


    After 32 game years no NPC, part of a dynasty or otherwise, purchased any titles despite having more than enough money.


    EDIT: Apparently, this isn't true:


    On higher difficulty levels the AI will also buy higher titles then citizen. I saw some noblemen in my tests as well.




    2. There is a serious bug related to political meetings. It is one that breaks the system.

    The council meeting to elect the Chief Magistrate never occurred despite it being scheduled and announced. This happened during all reloads and reattempts. I have no expectation that it would be different in any new game or for any other office.


    3. The method of filling the top offices after town growth is not ideal.

    The positions that require the title of Citizen never actually do, neither at game creation nor after town growth. At the beginning of the game when the towns are at the Village level, the office of Village Mayor requires at least the title of Citizen, but the NPC filling that office never has it. Whichever NPC is selected to have that office should automatically have the title of citizen.


    4. Towns grow too fast.

    25 years, significantly less than 1 generation, should not be enough time for a Village to grow into a Free City. It is my understanding that the population count is the primary factor determining the level of a settlement. Perhaps a town should not be able to grow unless it has enough people of adequate rank to fill in the new offices? I doubt a “Citizen without full civil rights” would ever be allowed to become Sovereign of a Free City by any nation during the 15th century.


    5. Certain settlements, because of their growth speed at the beginning of a game, seem like they are supposed to begin as a higher level town.


    If settlements are growing so fast because they are already so big, have them start at an appropriately higher level and be sure that all offices are filled with NPCs with appropriate titles. While you are at it, add some variety to the initial titles given to NPCs. All of them start at “Citizen without full civil rights” or lower. Have some Citizens, Free Citizens, and Patricians thrown in there and some nobles if an appropriately large and powerful enough city.



    6. When soldiers are in town during war preparations, they count towards the town's population and hurry town growth.

    Soldiers should not affect the rate of a town's growth into higher tiers. Being that they are either temporary residents or recruited/drafted from people already living in the town, soldiers probably shouldn't add to the population count at all.

    I think the game could be improved by spreading out the NPC dynasties throughout all the cities in a map.


    Currently, NPC Dynasties have their residences in only 1 city on multi-city maps. The only way you can get NPC dynasties to live in other cities is to increase the number of dynasties during game creation near or past the total number of pre-built empty houses in the primary city.