Feedback Patch 4.165b

    Please give your feedback about the latest patch here.
    Please keep in mind that the changed AI behaviour and the market system may have an enormous influence on gameplay, so we need your feedback.

    Known bugs of 4.165b:
    Items for honey and fruits are missing when using the buy raw materials method at the guildhouse.


    Warning: It looks like there's a bug causing a lot of OoS messages in this patch.
    So if you want to play a multiplayer game, going back to 4.164b may be better (you can install 4.164b also on top of 4.165b in order to revert all changes).

    Single player concerning market and politics, everything is working out much better.


    We still have those same ol' bugs where people like to walk out right before they're about to begin voting, sortof amplified now that the court is always packed.


    But yeah a lot of electioneering going on. There is a weird thing going on with some people who are citizens not trying for the next post up even if it's vacant but in some cases people ARE trying.


    BTW does anyone know if pickpocketing pulls your rating down w/ other families? I think I made a mistake setting up my base in my own town.


    But yeah, on the hansa map selling goods now is really dynamic. This is getting close to a proper gold version, thanks for all your hard work nirvana.

    Hello,


    i'm kinda new here, but i play The Guild for a long time now (i have all versions of the 1 and 2 ^^). I just played a while with the last patch and got a little problem with it :


    I am a craftsman and i make/sell peasant clothes, purses and tissues from the clothing shop. The problem is that in 10 years i never sold any single purse from my shop, and in the market the price never reached the base price, its always cheaper than that.


    And more ... wehn i sold some to the market, they disappear really fast, like there are 6, i bring 15 so it comes to 21 and then it relatively fastly comes to 6 again. But never under 6, once its there, it wil never move again and yet this product is one of the "top buys" in this town ....


    So in conclusion, i abandonned this item for the moment. Any idea of what this is?

    I found another one,


    i just dfon't know how it happened but a council procédure is stuck .... people are in the town hall for 5 days now ! they just don't move. And mothing more is happening like trial or elections. its kinda weird ... as i am in the town council, i keep my spot since, with people wanting to take it ... they are the same since its stuck ...


    I hope someone else will catch this because i don't know how it happened, but it happened about 10 days after the start ...


    PS :
    I think i found a hint for this bug, whan i want to assign someone to court i receive a message since 2 turns saying "action not possible, this settlement will receive new rank soon". Maybe this could be what locked everything around promotions and trials ? anyway its a bug because nothing is happening for the town at all ...

    Ok so i wanted to try out the new banking system that was implemented.

    So i started up a new game as a scholar on hard difficulty.
    * Bought the first banking building
    * Put the money (750) into an account
    * Used my char as the person who was giving out the loans

    After a few hours the first people came walking in and took a loan.

    Suddenly i saw that i was loosing alot of money.
    I didn't buy any stuff at the market and my worker was idling around.
    So i looked in the finance overview and saw that i was paying alot of fees.

    At the end of the day i almost payed over 500 credits of fees.
    When i stopped giving out loans with my char no fees were reducted.

    Also i haven't seen anyone paying back the loans yet.

    So maybe i'm getting something wrong but if i give out loans why is there any fee deducted from my money when i've put 750 into the bank account?


    I reported this problem before.. It's a bug.. The town will never get promoted.. I wonder if there's anything to do with lack of buildings or people in the town.. I played for another 10 years but nothing happen, and then I restart a new game.. There might be a fix hopefully soon..

    Zitat von ChrisJason

    I reported this problem before.. It's a bug.. The town will never get promoted.. I wonder if there's anything to do with lack of buildings or people in the town.. I played for another 10 years but nothing happen, and then I restart a new game.. There might be a fix hopefully soon..


    Ok , i noticed also that there was only few buildings in the town (i bought 3 commercials and they are nearly the only ones in the town ...). For the number of people it was the smallest village in the map but it keeps growing and growing, even if no buildings are built. That explain now why i have a lot of beggars in the town.

    Hi Nirvana, hope you're feeling better :)

    I observed (Hansa map, Hamburg, 1 scholar, 1 patron):

    1. Praise bug during sermons for the character still exists. Also, if click the praise button and then cancel it by right-click, then the sermon starts from the beginning again.

    2. Hosts are bought from the church, even when there is no sermon.

    3. Line of functions bug during town sessions, it occurs quite often.

    4. Carts blocked from beginning of map, on the East road of Hamburg, in 2 points.

    5. When patron character is working in Mill, double-clicking his icon will NOT take you to him.

    6. Market is reacting worse than in previous versions:
    a. Copper coins > I sold 5 copper coins to the market, and the AI character sold 6. Price was reduced to 202. From the total 11 coins, 6 remained on the market at 202, and not sold for a period of 6 years. So there is no point in producing copper coins anymore.
    b. Wheat flour - Barley flour > prices greatly reduced with small number of goods.
    c. Thesis papers - I sold 2 thesis papers on the market and the price dropped from 765 to 484, and stays there. So there is no point in producing thesis papers anymore either.
    In general, it seems that the market prices drop very fast with a small number of items, but do not raise again. It was better in the previous versions.

    Thank you Nirvana for your work :)


    Didn't change that, so of course it's still there^^

    Zitat von Jacqvern


    5. When patron character is working in Mill, double-clicking his icon will NOT take you to him.


    That's unfixable. :/

    Zitat von Jacqvern


    6. Market is reacting worse than in previous versions:
    a. Copper coins > I sold 5 copper coins to the market, and the AI character sold 6. Price was reduced to 202. From the total 11 coins, 6 remained on the market at 202, and not sold for a period of 6 years. So there is no point in producing copper coins anymore.
    b. Wheat flour - Barley flour > prices greatly reduced with small number of goods.
    c. Thesis papers - I sold 2 thesis papers on the market and the price dropped from 765 to 484, and stays there. So there is no point in producing thesis papers anymore either.
    In general, it seems that the market prices drop very fast with a small number of items, but do not raise again. It was better in the previous versions.


    Market is highly influenced by the number of residences. So there are items that are completely useless to sell at a certain state of the city.


    1. Ahha, finally a comprehensive description, allowing to reproduce this bug! Adding to the bug list.

    2. This is not a bug, afaik. Why can't people just come to a church and buy some hosts, even if there are no sermon?

    3,4. Already in the bug list.

    Zitat


    1. Praise bug during sermons for the character still exists. Also, if click the praise button and then cancel it by right-click, then the sermon starts from the beginning again.


    Only the praise?? Don't the libel has the same bug??? I dislike using my character to give sermons.. Just waste the time and I don't have enough time for 2nd sermon.. X( Praise button starts from the beginning if you just click on the praise button, you don't even have to cancel it for the whole sermon to restart....

    I found another (did not found it in other posts sorry if it is the case) : When i am guildmaster of the tradesman (or crafstman, don't remember) i can buy packages of raw materials (like silver,cotton,...) I buy one, go into one of my shops managed by the ai, and i let only the ai manage the production (and not the sale! otherwise when i put the package, the ai put it in a cart and go sell it at the market).


    Here is the thrick : i put it into the store of the shop, select the button to unpack it, wait 1 or 2 sec, and the ai put it with the item to be sold in the shop, i select to unpack .... and hurray !! i gained 12items (ie silver) and the crate is still with the items to be sold. I just have to do it again and again ...and ...oh damn its not funny :p

    Some problems i found:


    To buy nobleman title it is 12,000, i think you missed a 0.


    People seem to miss court and elections very often.


    Several times after an election, when i left the town hall i would get the message telling me I was expected there, several other people would show up too and stand around until they were kicked out for court the next day.


    When I killed someone in a duel their escort remained there forever.


    The ai management at the pub tells them to use the thief services, which is bad because then they get killed by guards all the time, also when I had rum smuggled in the ai put on the cart and sold it at the market for nothing, it can be fixed by selling the cart because you don't need one there but still annoying.


    it would be nice if as the magistrate when the sentence is to be moderated, you could choose what it is to be moderated to as long as it is under what was suggested.


    I know this need quite a bit of work but once it has been done it will be one of the best games around, thank you for working on it.

    Is it me or is there a lot of ahem confused (for lack of a less spicy word) in trials flirting my characters for relationship boosts... which he/she promptly dismiss by slapping/raising his/her voice on the... same sex.

    I found something weird is happening...


    1.Noble cost 12k.. ^^


    2. Some thugs/thieves seems to run away when I asked them to attack a building.. They didn't attack anyone, just run away..


    3. I placed my thugs and thieves on the highway on Hansa map to eliminate my competitors.. if they pass.. There's no guards there, easy for assassination.. However, after awhile, I checked back and my thugs and thieves seems to run off to the side of the highway.. No longer standing together.. If there's an attack on my characters, then maybe they'll help, but there' no attack buzzer or whatsoever.. They just happened to be at the side of the road, near the buildings..


    4. I have a Patrician building, hired 5 thugs (the max at Patrician house), and placed them on the highway, but when i checked back in point 3, there's only 3 of them left.. Well, I assumed they got killed... So I try rehiring them.. But my house do not allow me to hire anyone.. apparently they are not death according to the patrician house, but I don't see them on the map as well as in my icons when I open the house production.. So I am lacking of thugs.. X( Where the hell did they go?

    *sigh*


    I can't play anymore.. The game at 1450+ become completely errr... bugful... >.<"


    No one apply for post anymore.. I'm like the only 3 holding the top posts... With 2 person taking lease master and dungeon master..


    The city became so messy with plague killing my people everywhere and there's no way to counter the plague.. or maybe I don't know how.. But my people are dying everywhere and I still can't find my thugs (from the previous post)..


    And my cardinal is bugged.. X( I asked him to start a crusade, but after summoning, he just finish there.. He didn't walk off and start the hell crusade.. The whole thing just stop there and i have to wait 48 hours for it again... I thought I'm a cath and I can't get recruits as the cath churches in my Hamburg have been overtaken by me.. my scholar owns a prot church and my rogue cardinal is cath with a cath church (not active church), I try to sell my church and attempt to switch faith so I can get recruits for my crusade. However, when I press switch crusade, nothing happens.. It just appear for 1 sec, and then gone, nothing happened..


    With no crusade and a murdering plague, which I don't know how handle, I even take over the infirmary with my Queen, they don't even upgrade to Hospital in the main city.. X( I took the Infirmary and upgrade to Hospital to realize there's a contant 30 person with black death no matter how I cure them.. X( Even with cardinal's supreme healing power, I can't stop anything..


    Please advise..